The room is relatively small 21*16*8 What concerns me is this (and this is my question): A lot of the frequencies covered by these speakers are localized by human hearing based on time of arrival of the incident wave between the two ears, and for much of this spectrum, the human brain will process two like sounds arriving just a few milliseconds out of sync, perceiving the first as “real” and the second an “echo”. By this I mean, for instance, my SBR&SBL pair will be 10deg above ear height. Your email address will not be published. That would really stink for the poor guy in the middle of the row! No, dipoles have an on axis null, so would not work in this application. They are volt 6s and have decent dispersion. I am just moving to Atmos. Email us at AskSandV@gmail.com Q I have a 5.1-channel surround speaker setup in my basement that uses Infinity speakers. For bonus points you can check the angular separation in other seats. Would it be possible to angle the surrounds toward the side wall and bounce them off of the walls? can I also install the ceiling speakers above each corner of the seats? Though they are compatible with any flat top speaker from any brand, the modules are specifically geared toward use with Pioneer's SP-BS22-LR compact speaker or SP-FS52 floorstanding speakers. I know this isn’t optimal but sure would like some sense of Dolby atmos sound. Too close to window?? |. the trailers are the amaze and the leaf and they both sound incredible. I’ve been struggling between 9.1.2 and 7.1.4. this is a follow up to our previous conversation, in regards to the Dolby Atmos on-ceiling speaker installation. I’m not sure on what to do with the existing height speakers above the L/R as you may not have enough angular separation to get any real benefit from them. Without knowing where your rear speakers are going, I’d suggest two Atmos speakers. The TV is on the 8’ wall and the main listening position is a couch about 12’ straight back and there is also a couch on the left side wall. Better would have been to get some angled baffle aim-able in-ceilings, like the Triad Rotosat. I have an exsting 7.2 system in this room and i’m in the process of installing a 7.2.4 dolby atmos system but I have a dilemma. What is your advice/comments as to would this set up work for Auro-3D with good results? Provide clearer delineation of ear-level speakers, overhead speakers, and height speakers. For top speakers this normally means a round angled baffle in-ceiling, aimed towards the main listening seat. CTR. However you also want to make sure the ceiling speakers are placed for smooth front-to-back pans. A second set of height speakers will be added at a later stage. I was thinking 45 degrees, but since I will have a top middle in the future, should I put them at 30 degrees? Is it better then to place the 2 height speakers along the side walls just below the ceiling and pointing downwards or to mount them on the front wall as height speakers? HW. Would it be best to just work up from the bed layer in all directions and equally space the height channels keeping all the angles the same. By using angled ceiling speakers, you can now put a good sounding theater system all in the ceiling, aiming the whole speaker assembly toward the listening area. Set them on top of your front speakers, angling them up to the ceiling. This will give you the best surround sound experience no matter what you show or movie you want to watch. In other words, how do you cue to height if you perceive it as an echo? OSD Audio’s LCR (Left Center Right) angled in-ceiling speaker is angled at 15 degrees toward the listener. After laying out a number of theaters I’m leaning towards layouts that can be expanded to a 9.1.6 setup, with wides and 6 overheads. 1. You need minimum 3′ preferably 4′ to prevent surround speaker localization (i.e. The automated surround speaker setup warms my geeky heart. Distances just don’t make sense when the side walls are at a different distance from the main listening position that the back walls. Certainly for the front ceiling row EM is probably the better choice. The center is above the TV even higher still. Do I really need the rear speakers to enjoy Atmos? I am setting up a 5.2.2 system in a small room 8 x15 x 7.5 high. At around 80 degrees vertically from the main listening position. But if you do this then the second (and other) rows may have less-than-great angular spacing front-to-back (see above). I’m going to use 4 polk atrium 6 indoor/outdoor speakers and mount them on kindorf which will be screwed to the ceiling and the polks do have a 45 degree dispersion. For the rear ceiling row the angled orientation is not great if you have two seating rows….better to do a speaker that’s pointing downwards. The Dolby Atmos specs say to place the surrounds at the listening level but that would most certainly mean that someone sitting next to you will block the sound coming from them. Also, someone above mentions 9.1.6; how is this possible with current receivers? So should i just maximize for the first seating row and try to train myself to get used to sitting there? Which is correct? |. The top of the light tray is 6″ from the ceiling, so any ceiling speakers have to be slimmer than that or it will look weird. Looking to upgrade my Yamaha receiver to one that has Atmos and Dts:X capabilities, and am looking for ceiling speaker suggestions. I have four pairs of identical bipole speakers (I’m positive they’re not dipoles). Put them high enough so all seats have a clear view of the speaker, and then lay out the tops so you have minimum 30 degree angular separation to the surrounds. Does that make sense? |. Will an AVR-X8500H (just purchased this) and Dolby Atmos support a 5.1.6 system? Come join the discussion about home audio/video, TVs, projectors, screens, receivers, speakers, projects, DIY’s, product reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! You can even use them as surrounds placing them about 6 inches higher than your ears and 6 inches behind and place them sideways or horizontally and they'll be roughly angled just right. do I need to install these speakers directly aligned with the front speakers or can I install them a little wider than the front speakers? |. As far as surround height. My rear walls are double the distance from the MLP than the side walls, if I put them all at the same height, that would mean the sides and rears are at greatly different elevations. I have tried to estimate it so that each listener on the long couch has eye of sight to the surround (but there are still many options for height in that case). For a 5.1.4 configuration, the speakers should be installed in-line with front left/right speakers, and ceiling height should ideally be between two and three times the vertical position of the front left/right speakers. 1. I don't think the height modules work that well even with a flat ceiling. you have to keep the ‘ratio’ of the Dolby recommendations the same and position the best seat forward into the centre of the overhead channels or alternatively lift the LCR? We like the down firing solutions because it is more accurate, easy to implement and cost effective. I’ve done a few rooms with two heights and they work well in this location. Surround localization rather than just envelopment becomes more important with spatial audio soundtracks, and so the acoustic design needs to become more absorptive and also be as consistent as possible for the surround speakers. I’m assuming the rear and side surrounds do not need to be on the same level. Not sure if this helps but my AV receiver supports Audyssey MultEQ XT 32 calibration. Our target is -3dB at 4kHz. I am hoping I am not too far off of the CEDIA guidelines as the Atmos guidelines clearly do not anticipate stadium seating (I only have two rows, but nonetheless). Or would you indeed listen to the retailer and just put 2 Atmos in and have the surrounds further back towards rear? I’m installing a 5.2.4 Atmos system. So would you recommend to a)move only RHR&L forward 10deg or b)adjust all the speakers forward by 10 deg or c)move all speakers but keep the separation ratios the same – so from 45deg for FHR&L and RHR&L the spacing goes from 45:90:45 to 42.5:85:42.5. 2. which angles we are using. I will only have 1 seating row. The Best Ceiling Speakers for Dolby Atmos. ), Seems like you have a good grasp on things…but you should definitely sanity check the dispersion coverage of the speakers you are planning to use. Let me know if you think the XTR 7000s might be an option for me or using in ceiling speakers for the Top speakers may work better than the SuperSats. The Proficient C661 in-ceiling model you mention has a pivoting tweeter. I have 2 Bose am5s mounted high on back wall for surrounds now. Because you want to keep the separation between the bed layer (the lower set of speakers) and the height layer (the ceiling speakers).”, Does this mean to keep the surround below the listening level, like more closer to the floor? The “height” module has a narrow enough directivity at the frequencies where humans localize sound that we don’t perceive the sound coming from the speaker…it comes from the ceiling. Again, Dolby labs suggests placing foam core board at the four acoustical reflection points on the ceiling. It does depend on how high and wide your room is and therefore what kind of angles each placement option gives you. The LCR are at 36″ tweeter height and LS RS are 8” higher at 44. Georj. Was going to get rid of them. Sound would be reflected from side wall and front wall (from tweet/mid) and direct from woofer. If you are using the Electromotion IW those are quoted at 80 degrees coverage, so for best results position listeners no further than 20 degrees off axis (or as the measurements reveal as described in the linked blog post). my question is how do I make a 3d cad? You can use them as front heights or as top mids and they're already angled toward you as they should be. __________ Should the overheads then be moved closer together, or kept in line with the FR and FL? (Room is 15’ wide, 13’ deep, 9’ high) It was placed behind an AT screen in a baffle wall. Hi I am about to install 5.1.4 in my 13×13 room with the couch being only 20 ” from the back wall. Micca M-8C; 4. Polk Audio RC80i; 3. is that OK? Just like satellites they're basically just book shelf speakers with less bass extension but go low enough that you can … SW With the speakers pointed straight the front Atmos ceiling speaker must have consistent coverage out to ~70 degrees off axis! I only have one row of home theater seats that seat three. Something like the Vanquish is a good choice since it has an angled baffle. My answer to the thread title is to go with angled speakers for all 6 atmos speakers. Thank you…. Do you recommend one over the other? 1- When adjusting the position of the overhead speakers to compensate for higher placement of the traditional bed layer speakers. C Good info I live in a condo apartment . The questions that need answering: This limits how and where I can mount Atmos speakers. Then you can add another pair of speakers as tops (the .2) in front of the couches towards the L/R speakers. That extra separation as suggested by Dolby is part of the mix. |. Should have made it more clear, I have in-ceiling speakers (haven't installed them yet), not height modules. Surrounds are .5′ higher than ear level on stands on 45 degree access pointing into listening area, secondary lp is forward on either side of room. same / similar drivers and conscious decision by the manufacturer to timbre match. Is this preferable to a 115 degree angle, which would be the cdlosest I can place it to use an in wall speaker? “Keep surrounds as low as they can go without causing other issues (e.g. Shelly Lighting July 3, 2018. U. This is what I was thinking … too high?? Please try to get an idea at my attempt at diagraming the room below, that is, of the format is not completely messed up after submitting this post?? thank you for your response. please advise if you can. Hi Nyal, Another issue is that my front speakers are right at earl level (the tweeter I mean). | Hi Charles, impossible to say without looking at the specific placement of your speakers in 3D CAD! No…but would it be better with a 9.1.4 setup…of course! That won't be possible with the surrounds high up on the wall or in-ceiling. Hi Tony, yes it can be done…but I’d likely consider 7.1.2 instead. I am planning to build my own speaker and use a simmular compression driver used for my front LCR speakers qsc sc 1120. Towards that end I have ordered 4 in ceiling speakers. I installed 4 on-ceiling speakers facing downward and 18 inches to the side of my front and right speakers I now have a 7.2.4 system. I have one question: Could I use these as 2 fronts (L/R), toed in a bit. From what I have seen published by Dolby, optimal placement for a .4 setup is with one set of speakers is ahead of you while the other should be behind you. Problem is, I find the viewing distance a little too short, so I find myself often (or mostly) sitting in the second row (there are four seats in the second row, so not quite in the center). Atmos Ceiling Speakers Angled. Klipsch CDT-5650-C II; 2. Now, you may be wondering whether or not it’s a good idea to put the speakers in the ceiling. HW. So the transition from bed to overhead is relatively faster than from overhead to overhead. In fact, we have done A/B testing comparing in-ceiling speakers to upfiring Dolby Atmos modules on freestanding speakers and people cannot tell the difference. The 14′ is where I will be in front of the TV (+ It is not a home theater room with several rows of seats. I would advise adjusting all speakers so that the angles between speakers provide consistent coverage. You could add more speakers, but I think first I would add rear surrounds rather than more top speakers. I have the Marantz 8805, and after some research decided to do 7.2.6 (currently running 7.2). Thanks Nyal, the rear speakers would be directly above the listening position on the couch against the wall. I could place height speakers on axis at start of wall after DinRm opening pointed downwards into MLP zone but one seating position is under that point on either side of room (worried these positions may not get true effect). Can I setup Atmos Enabled on surrounds and get enough of effect? Hmm, it appears that unless you have one seat in the ideal position in an ideal room, you have to choose between accurately smooth panning objects or accurately placed objects…. I just feel that I”M not getting the proper effect from dolby atmos and dts-x immersive audio. If you’re reading this post, you’re probably planning to install the best Atmos ceiling speakers to give you a movie theater-like sound experience. I’ve done a theater with ML 60XT before, and yes, I ended up raising it on a stand and also blocking the ports. I ended up getting Triad In-wall Bronze LCRs to mount on the ceiling in custom made speaker boxes. I don’t know of any receivers that will do 9.1.2 … to my knowledge everything is 7.1.4 except if you go to the very high end pre-pros (Datasat or Trinnov). I have the speaker configurations for ATMOS 5.1.2 one pair of tops on my ceiling front . The naming of Dolby Atmos speaker configurations is based on the standard nomenclature (stereo, 5.1, and 7.1) but adds a number at the end to specify the number of height speakers in the playback system. Nyal, that helps a lot. The angled speaker is a real problem solver because not every space is ideal for home theater sound applications. Required coverage / dispersion, speakers pointing straight down. Follow speaker placement recommendations: http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/2013314speaker-layout/, 2. To be sure, you can use regular bookshelf speakers as ceiling mounted atmos speakers, but it is a very flawed approach for a few reasons. Since the format was announced >80% of our theaters have been designed to support Atmos and other next-generation audio formats such as DTS.X and Auro. i’m not very computer savy. Trying to set up a 5.1.4 – am I doomed???? For Atmos I am between the RSL c34e and the Kef ci series but am leaning toward the x34e as they have very similar dispersion patterns. Moving those channels physically closer together would effectively mean that the pan speeds up in the middle and this is why we should aim to keep the ideal ratios that Dolby suggest and shrink each angle accordingly? …or d) shift RHR&L forward 10deg and FHR&L back 10deg, thus keeping centrally located height objects central. The issue is the room is relatively large as it has two couches facing each other with a coffee table between them and the Plasma TV is above a faux fireplace mantle with cabinets R & L which hold the front and high surround Speakers, not ideal I realize. My instinct without reviewing the actual 3D CAD model of your room: get the surrounds as far as you can away from you. The idea is to spread the speakers out both front-to-back and side-to-side so that you get consistency of coverage. Now that I have them, I figure I will use them and if after a couple of years I feel they’re not doing the job, I’ll move them to my surrounds and get new speakers for the ceiling. I have a question, I am setting up a 5.1.4 configuration in my family room with 4 ceiling speakers for atmos (and thankfully based on what I just read my surrounds are just above ear level). Some of the best speakers to enjoy Dolby Atmos on include: 1. I figured that if I have the back surround info with the rear surrounds, it would make more sense to place the sides closer to 90. The technology definitely works, in that you will get a sense of sound coming from the ceiling. thank you. I hate to say it but the easy solution for this assuming you have some flexibility in your projector throw range is to get a smaller screen and sit in the front row. However as I re-evaluate the level of difficulty installing said speakers and their requisite wiring, I take pause. The question is do I place them directly overhead slightly offset to roll off tweeter or to set them wide and try to angle them inwards pointing to center?? Most importantly, Dolby shows ceiling speaker placement almost completely on the side of the ceiling where I would have thought they’d be much more centered. | I am choosing between Def Tech Promontor 1000 and the B&W M1 for sides and rears between the Promonitor 1000 and a Kef T101 for rear. Now I’m told that these speakers are designed for wide dispersion in the horizontal plane and minimize vertical dispersion. Dolby Atmos allows you to bring immersion into a home where you will not be allowed to cut holes in the ceiling.” For in-wall listener-level speakers, Eggers recommends they are at least 3 feet below the ceiling. My ceiling is only 7.0 feet high. I’ve heard at least one person saying to time-align a pair of dolby-enabled speakers to the path length of the reflection from the ceiling, not to the path to the listener. The angled middle overhead speakers will benefit both the person sitting directly under it and the person sitting directly under the opposite MOS. Not only does the MLP have a great experience but other seats do as well. |. Your first three bullets seem to contradict each other. ———–. Thanx for posting those. Yes, same tips apply for all spatial audio formats! I guess the ideal separation would be to mirror the mixing studio layout. With an OSD Audio Angled In-Ceiling LCR speaker, you'll get imaging and staging that can in certain situations be lost with regular, down-firing ceiling speakers. The projector and screen are going to go on the walls that are 5470mm as per diagram (not to scale, just roughly placed as are the speakers). I believe most Atmos enabled speakers need a quite high crossover point (120Hz?). I am considering installing 5.1.4 Atmos in my small family room 14 x16′. Many of these types of speakers also include a baffle that blocks the direct sound path of sound coming from the height array directly to the listener, for example look at how this Triad speaker is designed. 8 foot ceilings. What the retailer is saying to me (he wants me to go 2 Atmos not 4) is that the sound from the rear Atmos may get confused with the sound from the surrounds – but I think there is enough distance, there will be at least 1m between those. Do you think tis would sound pretty good? Put the middle so it splits the difference in angle between first and last row of tops If you are using Martin Logan Electromotion in-walls, note that they don’t have great dispersion (a limit of the AMT design)…it’s around 80×80 at high frequencies. 9 foot 6 inch ceiling. Dear Nyal, unfortunately I do not have an ideal setup for Dolby atmos either as my couch is up against my back wall. I would highly appreciate your advice on what will be the best setup for an ATMOS moives. Ideally this means using speakers from the same “family” i.e. I understand the two atmos ceiling speakers would be parallel and several feet closer to TV from main listening position – questions: Position the sides at 110 degrees lateral but on the ceiling and the tops at 80 degrees vertical. With that tweeter angled toward the listening area, it should … Got a tech question for Sound & Vision? Also, the sharply sloped ceiling could be a problem for Atmos. Really happy to find this article. While an all-in-ceiling Atmos system isn’t something I’d recommend, I do have in-ceiling overhead speaker installation suggestions based on Dolby’s guidelines. Hi Nyal, I’m currently doing a 9.1.6 layout in a 12x12x8ft room with a single row of two seats. My theater room has pretty much impossible to change acoustic panels and moving my 4 surround speakers horizontally or vertically is going to be minimally difficult and quite expensive. 1. ____TV____. Nyal, Dolby Atmos is, doubtlessly, the hottest cake in regard to great surround sound technology for your home. |. my installer is coming in a couple of days and i’d like to decide if i’m doing 2 or 4. with 6,7 being side height placement top of wall near ceiling angled down toward listener . thanks for the response. Alternatively, I could mount the first row of speakers parallel, the second row perpendicular, and the back row parallel — this would maximize coverage for the first seating row center seat. |. |. Should I go higher or just bring them to ear level? |. Hi Nyal, So, how does one deal with this, if it is real? |. For a single pair of Atmos in-ceiling speakers, they should be positioned at about an 80-degree angle from the primary position as shown in the drawing when looked at from the side. Reference the Dolby Atmos recommendations for two height speakers – they are recommended at 80 degrees from horizontal, i.e. Will a CD horn with a wider dispression 90 *90 ( jbl pt wide coverage wavegiude from Jbl AC16) is preferred on a 90*50 horn for atmos (18 sound XT120)? please advise at your earliest convenience. You could also go this route if it’s in the budget... start at about 50s in, Wow, that is awesome! |. I figure that with 9’6″ ceiling, I will get enough horizontal dispersion along the front to back axis if I mount them parallel. At 18 ” from the wall while on the axix of the front LR spekers the rear height speakers would be at 125 angle only 5 feet from the listener. Pioneer SP-T22A-LR Add-on Speaker Modules ($98 per pair) - A budget-friendly add-on speaker option, these Atmos modules from Pioneer are designed to sit on top of a user's existing speakers, adding an up-firing driver for height effects. I’ll probably also choose the Motion FX instead of the Electromotion FX-2 for my surrounds because of the dispersion specs. Lying on the couch, my idea is to trick the ears into hearing the surrounds from the ceiling. As you can see I am a bit limited due to where the window is and the door on the other side: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xsnsaw7xv9hj9c/HT2.jpg?dl=0. What is the reasoning for this and should ceilings be on axis towards center or straight down? I would consider a 5.1.2 with that setup, the tops around 80 degrees vertical. No seat >60 degrees angular. Should l put them in the ceiling against the back wall, probably about 2 feet from listening positions (couch) and then 2 more in front of couch or should I just use 2in ceilings and forget the other 2? While some Atmos speakers have a specific ceiling bounce, which creates a sonic sweet spot, the R50s deliver an excellent sense of height up to 3.5m away. … ALL those sounds will come from above you, defeating the purpose of an Atmos set-up. I would love to learn I went on certain websites but it’s not working for me. JBL SP8CII 2-Way, Round 8-Inch In-Ceiling Speaker with Swivel Mount Tweeter; 3. And if you are time-aligning to the reflection, then how do you avoid every height channel sound robbing various audience-level speakers of their perceived direction, because the Dolby speakers are firing “first” all the time, and cuing you to the front even other speakers are providing localizing information? Any idea’s on speakers brands and placement would be most appreciated. 1. Install two pairs of in-ceiling speakers; place the front overhead speakers in front of the main listening position and the second pair behind it, or; If you don’t want to mess your ceiling, use Atmos-enabled add-on speakers fitted with angled, up-firing drivers and place them on top of your current speakers Hi Niyal, I just stumbled across this article — perhaps too late. 2. O. How far should i then put the front height from the rear height? Hi Bill, thanks for reading. No, they should be at or above ear level. My question is therefore, with just one set of wide dispersion and downward-angled height speakers, where would they be most effective? It’s the dipoles that you should stay away from. I don’t want to cut into the ceiling because it will affect sound isolation, and there is a 1 1/4″ thickness to the ceiling anyway. Hi..I have two Polk speakers that I am using as overheads but I cannot mount them on the ceiling but on the side walls instead . Could you also provide some advice on height for the surrounds. 1) yes 80-100 better than 115 for a 7 channel system Fortunately, I didn't really spend anything on them, they were in an auction lot I got for $400 that had $2000 studio monitors in it as well as these and a few other ceiling speakers. Atmos Ceiling Speakers Angled. If not, Dolby suggests using models with “angled or aimable elements” as an alternative. Flush mounting the speakers would look best, at least have the grills mounted flush and maybe angle the speakers to be directed to center as one would in a typical setup. This is for dedicated home theatre on the ground floor, so a little tricky with wiring.  The ceiling speakers will be aligned with the front left/right speakers (as per the Dolby diagram) Recently, I upgraded my receiver to Denon’s 7.2-channel, Atmos-capable AVR-X2400H. I am installing/upgrading my system from a 5.1 to either a 5.2.4 or 7.2.4 Atmos system. If you have enough speakers then there is no compromise. Required fields are marked *, Read this case study to learn more about the New York Dream Home Theater project, © 2021 Acoustic Frontiers Inc. All Rights Reserved | Coalition Technologies. : _______. 4. For a 7.X.X system you seem to suggest going a little less back on the side surrounds, to maybe a 80-100 degree angle. you mentioned to me about the angular separation from the bed layer from my (MLP). Indicate the recommended speaker angles on the floor and ceiling to better help with floor-standing and bookshelf speaker placement. 3) Surround L/R are positioned slightly behind first row of seating Yamaha NS-IW280CWH 6.5″ 3-Way In-Ceiling Speaker System; 2. Would that be a better approach, all things considered? Position vertically in the correct location (see the recommendations in this article, particularly bullet points 1-3), What about the crossover settings I have enabled front speakers on top of my floor standing speakers klipsch all around including 7.3.2 onkyo 1030 reciever. I have already brought the seating as far forward as I really want to, as I need to take into account distance from screen (120″ BTW). Though I’m struggling to keep up, these discussions have been as helpful as anything as I try to design my 7.1.4 Atmos system (ceiling firing). Because the room is high you may not need angled baffles to get good coverage of the seating area (you’d need to check speaker dispersion angles to figure that out). Great catch, and again, many thanks. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. If you want to do it properly and are aiming for the best results then you may want to consider the upgrade to spatial audio as a major theater remodel, rather than just tacking it onto what you have now and hoping for the best. In my room, I need the speakers about 2 feet up from ear level to provide line of site. For example, would separating the 2 sets of speakers further apart help? No seat <30 degrees angular separation between surrounds, and ideally 45 degrees. (Want to improve lines of sight but concerned about separation from surround bed and ceiling speakers. It just didn’t make sense to me for Dolby to recommend putting speakers at ear level. My biggest problem is I have a ceiling that slopes from 8ft (where my couch is) to 12 feet at about a 45degree angle. Expensive certainly, but sensationally good. 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